The Time for Talking with the Left is Long, Long Past


“People who cannot be reasoned with can only be fought.” It’s an age-old truth, one good people ignore at their own peril. It too often is ignored, though, since good people are mostly reasonable and, in accordance with man’s nature, engage in projection. They thus assume that others are as reasonable as they are. 

It’s reasonable to assume that mentioning right now the futility of reasoning with the Left is motivated by the election. It’s also, in my case, untrue. I’ve for decades recognized that devout leftists, emotion-driven and vice-ridden, operate by occultist Aleister Crowley’s “principle,” “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” But now, with the Left stealing an election after have stolen our whole culture and increasingly achieving its ends through violence, more people may accept this message.

When presenting logical arguments to advance a position, which is what I as a commentator do, I’ve at times heard from readers who’d lament that it was a waste of time because leftists wouldn’t listen. What they misunderstood is that those arguments were never, ever intended for the Left. 

What must be applied here is “political/cultural triage.” This paradigm’s first group is the “Choir”; while its members are on your side, it still is beneficial “preaching” to them to “fire up the troops” and because “iron sharpens iron.” 

The second group is the “Middlers”; not wholly blinded by ideology and being at least somewhat open-minded, they often can be reached with logos, ethos or pathos or a good combination thereof.

Then there’s the last group: the Initiated. Called “leftists” today, they have disordered thinking; married to misbegotten passions and, disconnected from reason and operating emotionally, they’re the sort that inspired the Jonathan Swift sentiment (I’m paraphrasing), “You cannot reason a man out of a position he has not reasoned himself into.” 

Of course, one here and there may see the light if they experience something akin to a religious conversion. But you will not reach them with logic or anything else — and it’s a waste of time trying. They are, so to speak, damned.  

So how should we regard vanguard leftists, the Machiavellian destroyers of civilizations? How can you be prepared for them? Well, pretend you’re dealing with Satan. 

You can view this purely as a thought exercise if you’re non-religious. But know that the enemy — and that is what leftists are — is above nothing and beneath contempt. They will say anything and do anything to achieve their ends, which they believe justify the means; no lie is too great, no theft too grand, no contradiction too bold, no sacrifice of life too unpalatable. Moral relativists/nihilists to the core, they have boiled their behavioral guide down to, “If it feels good, do it.”

Conservatives must accept this hard reality and avoid the aforementioned instinctive, very human but in this case deadly habit: projection. This is when you ascribe your own mindset, priorities and sense of virtue to others. But vanguard leftists aren’t like you. As with the Devil, they can’t be talked out of their passions or reasoned out of their malevolence. They are as aliens — and they do not come in peace.

Their no-holds-barred attitude is apparent to all with eyes to see. They have

  • continually attacked us traditionalists and fomented unrest at our political events while accusing us of authoring violence;
  • visited career and reputational destruction upon those who dare speak unfashionable truths while accusing those Truth-tellers of intolerance;
  • used government agencies such as the IRS and FBI to persecute us while accusing us of endangering the republic;
  • played the identity politics card and demonized whites while accusing conservatives of being divisive, racist and bigoted;
  • conspired with foreign powers to undermine our nation while accusing us of treasonous behavior;
  • enabled China, an imperialistic foe and a clear and present danger to our country;
  • endeavored to steal an election after having wrongly accused conservatives of thus doing in 2016;
  • abetted an invasion of our nation in order to raise an alien electoral army that can help them seize power;
  • mismanaged a pandemic and caused death while using it as a pretext for stripping our liberties, “locking down” the country and destroying people’s livelihoods;
  • corrupted our children with perversion and scarred their bodies, minds and souls;
  • facilitated the murder of the unborn while accusing us of indifference to the vulnerable;
  • prosecuted conservatives on trumped up charges while shielding their co-ideologists from justice;
  • called Truth “hateful” or “misinformation” and censored it via Big Tech while presenting convenient lies as “fact”;
  • encouraged violent mobs to create mayhem and attempted to strip the imperiled of the capacity for self-defense while sometimes being protected themselves by armed details;
  • attacked our history and heroes and destroyed our cultural heritage while effecting their own “Year Zero,” dystopian transformation;
  • indoctrinated the young in schools to transform them into foot soldiers in the leftist campaign of civilizational rape;
  • attacked our nation’s foundational faith, Christianity, while spreading corruptive moral relativism and destructive theologies; and
  • degraded society with perverted science while accusing us of scientific obscurantism.

In a saner world, people could talk things out, seeking that ethereal common ground called Truth. But morally nihilistic leftists scoff at absolutes and have thus turned themselves into glorified animals, driven by their base instincts and consuming freedom, virtue and goodness like demonic locusts. They won’t stop until they are stopped, and if people cannot talk things out, they are left to fight them out. And our leftists are ensuring that we cannot talk things out. 

The reality is that if the United States were a marriage, there would have been a divorce long ago. Leftists are as alien to more traditional people as a race of aggressive, invasive extraterrestrials, and they’ve made coexistence impossible. 

So what does this mean from a practical standpoint? How should we proceed? First, conservatives must stop being “conservative” (as in defensive) and realize that you can’t follow Queensberry rules when the adversary fights no-holds-barred. As an example, leftists can govern contrary to the Constitution, sure — and we act contrary to their governance. 

To this end, traditionalist states/counties/cities should employ nullification, that ignoring of governmental enjoinments that Thomas Jefferson called the “rightful” remedy for all unconstitutional directives. 

Note here that the latter will encompass much, as most of the federal government’s business (and some state business) involves unconstitutional endeavors. There is, for instance, no constitutional provision for bureaucracies such as the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and the Department of Education, and federal anti-discrimination law and “transgender”-accommodation mandates should be considered null and void; so should the Obergefell v. Hodges “marriage” opinion, to cite just a few examples. For leftists can con their way to an election victory, but if we let them con us into obeying them, that’s on us. 

As to this, conservatives fancy themselves rules-oriented, but too many have been fooling themselves, following not the rule of law but the rule of lawyers (in legislatures and on courts). If leftists can consider the Constitution’s dictates “living,” we can consider their unconstitutional dictates living — and tell ‘em to go pound sand. 

Lastly, be ready if leftists attack you, and defend yourself, viciously if necessary. If they push, push back harder; if they strike, strike back harder. Understand that this is war, and as in all wars hot or cold, this is only and ultimately about one thing: power.

Our second president, John Adams, said in 1798, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” “Moral and religious” leaves leftists out, and we should leave them out as well — from any of our future plans. Dead to us they should be.

Self-Educated American Associate Editor, Selwyn Duke has written for The New American for more than a decade. He has also written for The Hill, Observer, The American Conservative, WorldNetDaily, American Thinker, and many other print and online publications. In addition, he has contributed to college textbooks published by Gale-Cengage Learning, has appeared on television, and is a frequent guest on radio. Copyright © 2019 Selwyn Duke

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  1. Good article. But you can’t have a shooting war.

    #1 You have no nationwide militia organization with state chapters that are all on the same page. Hell, you can’t even agree on wearing a mask. No organization = failure. The dems are highly organized and well funded.

    #2 And to top it off, you can’t buy ammo at Walmart to save your life.

    What needs to be done is to peacefully break the country into 2 unions. The dems can run their half and the reps can run their half. Not the best for commerce, but it allows one to ‘hopefully’ coexist. (Now, I’m not 100% sure of peaceful coexistence when the neighbors are dems. But we don’t have many options.)

    For those that do not want a breakup…

    Then you must be happy with eventually being disarmed and being under perpetual dem control. There is no rule that says every country has to last forever. Save half or lose it all. Those are your choices. The dem states have already seceded in some things. They don’t follow federal immigration or drug laws as well as the 1A, 2A, etc. So learn a lesson from the dems. Don’t play their game any longer. Time to preserve half of America as founded. Half is better than nothing.

  2. I see this leftist conflict starting with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. RINO and Democrap traitors, do not plan in days months, or even years. They have panned the coming leftist shooting civil war, for decades. Now we are on the brink. If Trump wins, there will be blm and antifa body counts. If harris wins, there will be blm, antifa, Patriots, elderly, children and other innocents, body counts. We are there and it is up to the DC lawgivers to decide which body count they want.

  3. This is why I fully expect and have prepared for an actual shooting war with the leftists. They want the country dead and everyone that supports it dead. We have to view them as such because that is the only conclusion one can come to knowing all they have done as listed above. They are the enemy, they deserve no quarter.

    When fighting zealots you can not give quarter. They understand only one thing: permanent defeat, and that unfortunately for our eternal souls, means their death. At least the deaths of their most ardent ‘soldiers’. It’s unavoidable and predictable. Once their ‘soldiers’ are gone, whatever political power they have must be vanquished permanently as they are not only removed from office, but publicly tried for treason and executed accordingly. It’s terrible to have to go through all this, but it needs to be done not just for US, it needs to be done for future generations. The future generations need to see how serious that behavior is, what it leads to, and the penalty for acting against your nation and subjugating your fellow countrymen is permanent and lethal.

    No, this civil war will not involve lines of people shooting at each other. You need tactics that will defeat them, not cost you thousands of lives on your own side. Special forces mimicry is the answer. They do NOT have this capability. We do. It’s time to start employing it.

    “What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

  4. This is all well and good, and I agree with all of it. The problem comes when godless leftists (but I repeat myself) use their ill-gotten power to punish those who resist them. Nullification was a fine strategy back when states had actual rights and the federal government was too weak to punish resisters. (You know, back before 1865.) We now live under a monolithic government dictatorship in which formerly independent states are mere administrative appendages of the federal government. Here’s how “nullification” will work in the America of today:

    “Hey, there, State of [fill in the blank]! I see you’re wanting to nullify federal COVID vaccine, mask, and lockdown mandates. No problem. Good for you. Completely Constitutional. Be a shame, though, if those federal highway funds dry up, eh? No Medicare / Medicaid reimbursements. No money for schools. No government contracts in your now-prosperous Congressional Districts. Heck, no money, period. So, if you’re all set to make bricks without straw, you go right ahead. We’ll leave the light on for ya.”

    Same with individuals. As soon as the state starts sending Child Protective Services to vaccine dissenters’ doors to remove their children for “reckless endangerment”, the resistance will end. As soon as the state requires non-vaccinated individuals to wear tracking devices that alert them when these individuals have broken perpetual quarantine, the resistance will end. As soon as people are arrested, thrown in jail and heavily fined for refusal to follow any and all COVID directives, the resistance will end. As soon as resisters’ assets are frozen and/or confiscated, the resistance will end. The state knows (and has always known) that FEAR OF LOSS is what motivates people, not LOVE OF LIBERTY. The number of people who will put their lives, liberty, and property at risk of government confiscation is vanishingly small.

    There is no peaceful solution to the current crisis. Leftists have made CERTAIN of that, and with this last stolen election they are DARING us to do something. A few MAGA marches on Washington, D.C. is no match for the leftists’ “long march” through American institutions over the last century. They KNOW they stole the election and they are rubbing our faces in it, deliberately stoking the impotent rage of those of us who just want to be left alone. Sooner or later, someone is going to get shot in the face, and that’s when the REAL fight starts.

    It is said that only “three percent” of the colonists actively supported the War for Independence against Britain. Let’s hope that’s enough this time.

    “If you will not fight when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you do not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be even a worse fate; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” — Winston Churchill

    • * Sooner or later, someone is going to get shot in the face, and that’s when the REAL fight starts.

      His name was Lee Keltner. The passivity you expect is bygone.

      *And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrest, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood that they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. What about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur – what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs [Soviet state institutions] would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

      If…if… We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! … We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. *

    • “Same with individuals. As soon as the state starts sending Child Protective Services to vaccine dissenters’ doors to remove their children for “reckless endangerment”, the resistance will end. As soon as the state requires non-vaccinated individuals to wear tracking devices that alert them when these individuals have broken perpetual quarantine, the resistance will end. As soon as people are arrested, thrown in jail and heavily fined for refusal to follow any and all COVID directives, the resistance will end.”

      I don’t think so. Not this time. The limit of shit people will put up with seems to be their own bodies. Its why despite laws, violence continues between abortionists and antiabortionists. The limit is bodily autonomy.

      • I most fervently hope you are right, OP, I truly do. There is so much cowardice and complacency in the world right now, it’s hard to be optimistic in the short haul. I fear there are a lot of keyboard warriors out there that will fold the minute some guy in a costume and a badge shows up at the door. I am hopeful for the long term, but I suspect there’s going to be a lot of suffering before we get there, and I think we need to be realistic about what we are up against. This fight is going to get physical pretty soon.

  5. EXACTLY. Been say’n since the Trumpster kicked over the status-quo honey bucket in ’16: There is no reasoning w/ the Chicom/Soros chump-change-funded, semi-literate/functional, NON-productive “woke” pukes and their DemonRAT instigators. The “Reckoning/Wrecking/Rendering” is imminent. Guess who’s got the majority of the guns and the righteous resolve/training to use them when absolutely necessary? Time to “square off and rumble”! Better sooner than later! This is it, baby, for all the marbles – it’s liberty or tyranny! The only two parties of consequence now are the productive patriots vs parasitic pukes. Lock[ed] and load[ed]. NO Fear/Hate when,”… where two or three GATHER together …”, What/Who “abides”? “JC always before me/we” cuz … there are no atheists in foxholes or within defensive perimeters surrounded by gov Fast & Furious-armed roving gangs and/or desperate, displaced, UNrepenting/UNprepared “citYzens/urbies”! Bring it and send me Home! KAGA – “Keep America Gracious/Grateful Again/Always”. Ooo-rah.

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